Hartleylands Farm Fishery. Nick’s Lake. April 23rd, 2011.

Marsh AC v  Morefax AC

Well I’m down at Hartleylands today for a small Knock Up on Nick’s Lake. A couple of weeks ago Dave Collier posted the following on my club forum…… “ Some of my son-in-laws mates have invited me and a few Marsh members for a little knock up on 23rd April. They normally fish as a small club with usually 8 or 10 of them. Between their organiser and myself we have booked the whole of Nicks lake for Saturday 23rd of April. So how many of you want to risk the wrath of SWMBO and come fishing on Easter Saturday”   Well after an invitation like that, it would be rude not to wouldn’t it.

We had been hoping to have a Marsh club match around this time, but a combination of Easter, Royal Wedding and a lack of available bookings on suitable venues meant that the invitation from the Morefax lads offered a welcome opportunity for about a dozen of us to get out on the bank .

With the weather having been so good recently, it was just shorts and a tee shirt today, and with the gear loaded into the car it was off to the Knox-Bridge Café for a ‘Full English’. Well the best laid plans and all that, I found Pete and Keith just about to pull out of the car park as the café was shut. A stop at a local petrol station meant an overpriced sandwich replaced the ‘Full English’, but at least it filled a hole.
Pulling into the fishery car park most were already in attendance and I was surprised to see a face that I work with !! Dave Janes was there with the Morefax lads as a guest of his brother in law Lee Rose. So with 22 of us present it was time for the draw. Peg 3 was mine for the day with Al on peg 4 for company. Keith strolled past with a broad grin on his face on his way to peg 9, while I could see Pete off to my right on peg 35.

With plenty of time to set up before the All-In at 10am the pellet wag and feeder rod were taken out of their ready sleeves, though in all honesty I was only expecting to fish the pole. 3 rigs took care of my options, once again all Sackup CX 4×12 pencils on 0·16 Ultima Power Match finishing with size 16 Guru MWG’s. pretty much the same rigs I’d used at Monks on the previous Marsh match……

The first to fish at around 10mtrs where there was around 4ft of water and the other two to cover two margin lines. Bait for the day being a combination hard pellets and GOT Baits soft hookers.

Jean appeared with a welcome mug of coffee and at 10am the All-In was called. I fed a large pot of mixed pellets onto the 10mtr line and a handful down both margins before going out with a banded 6mm, meanwhile Al had started with the feeder to the island. Nobody seemed to get off to a flyer, but a few fish were coming out here and there. Al picked up a few early carp on the feeder but was suffering from a snag on his feeder line that was costing him a number of hook lengths. I was getting quite a bit of fizzing on my pole line indicating fish were present and it didn’t take long before I had my first carp of the day in the net to get me off the mark.


Sport wasn’t hectic, but with a bit of work the bites kept coming and at the end of the first hour I had 10 carp in the net. Pete over on 35 looked like he would take some stopping though as he was already into a steady run of fish, making the most of having empty pegs either side of him.


The second hour was steady away with Al and I matching each other pretty much fish for fish, but from where we were we couldn’t really see much of what was going on around the rest of the lake. With the recent warm weather Al was expecting the fish to come up in the water, but for some reason they didn’t seem to really want to know forcing him to fish on the deck……

Around half way through my long line tailed off, but with a look down both margins producing just a solitary small skimmer I re-fed at 10mtrs and took a quick stroll to allow things to settle. Keith was up on peg 9 and was concentrating on a line under the willow to his left……

 it was proving to be a bit of a frustrating time for him though with lots of taps and dinks on the float proving hard to hit and he felt that it was probably small skimmers causing this rather than the hoped for carp.

A bit further round I found my workmate Dave on peg 15 looking like someone from a Maver advert, he’d recently forked out on some shiny new kit including a seatbox. He was targeting the tree to his left but unfortunately it wasn’t proving to be that productive for him……

 And he felt that he was falling behind his brother in law Lee who he could see fishing the feeder to the end of the island over on peg 20……

Back at my peg I started to pick up the odd fish once more but felt that I was having to wait to long between fish compared with the rate that Al was catching. A look at the island with the feeder produced a couple of carp but not quickly enough and the waggler fared even worse without a single bite.
By now Al was struggling too and with us both trying down the margins only Al had any success with just a single carp……

Pete was still catching, but the lads that appeared to be in the box seats were Tony and Gary on pegs 7 and 8 as it seemed that every time I looked over their way they were both playing good fish and both Al and I thought they would both be on for Ton+ weights.

With an hour to go the sun vanished and was replaced with heavy grey clouds accompanied by ominous rumbles of thunder and a light sprinkling of rain, but at least I managed a final flurry of fish before the all out was called at 4pm.


With Al and I weighing in half the lake we set off from peg 1 where Roy had struggled for just over 17lbs. My catch weighed 69½lbs, a bit more than I’d expected while Al’s 78½lbs proved good enough to take the section as Tony and Gary both came up a little short with 76lbs and 73 lbs respectively. Keith put 60lbs on the scales, including a Carp of 12lbs 2ozs which would take the £10 heaviest fish money. Tony’s 61¾lbs would be enough to take this section while Chris,Sean and Dave all recorded weights in the twenties and Ian finished the section off with a level 49lbs.
Back to the car park for the final results and the honours on the day went to Pete Thompson (peg 35) with a fine 127½lbs to take the win……

 while second and third had come from adjacent pegs with Dave Collier’s 90lbs from peg 21 giving him 2nd place ahead of Lee Rose (peg 20) whose 79lbs gave him 3rd overall. Kevin on peg 24 had 64lbs to give him the section on the day while Nick Bondeau on peg 27 managed 59½lbs to take the final section and his first ever pick up in a match.

 All in all a good day, with everyone having some fish and I’m sure it won’t be the last time that the Marsh and Morefax clubs get together for a friendly Knock Up.

Position	Peg	Angler	Weight
1st	Peg 35	Pete Thompson	127lbs 08ozs
2nd	Peg 21	Dave Collier	90lbs 04ozs
3rd	Peg 20	Lee Rose	79lbs 00ozs
4th	Peg 4	Al Loader	78lbs 08ozs
5th	Peg 7	Tony Moore	76lbs 00ozs
6th	Peg 8	Gary Smithers	73lbs 00ozs
7th	Peg 3	Peter Morton	69lbs 08ozs
8th	Peg 24	Kevin Loveland	64lbs 00ozs
9th	Peg 11	Tony Roberts	61lbs 12ozs
10th	Peg 9	Keith Ashby	60lbs 00ozs
11th	Peg 27	Nick Bondeau	59lbs 08ozs
12th=	Peg 17	Ian Cooper	49lbs 00ozs
12th=	Peg 23	Terry Goff	49lbs 00ozs
14th	Peg 26	Christine Collier	39lbs 00ozs
15th	Peg 37	Dave ?	36lbs 08ozs
16th	Peg 14	Sean Moore	26lbs 00ozs
17th	Peg 31	Simon Watkins	25lbs 08ozs
18th	Peg 12	Chris Withall	23lbs 08ozs
19th	Peg 15	Dave Janes	22lbs 14ozs
20th	Peg 29	Gino	21lbs 00ozs
21st	Peg 1	Roy Sargent	17lbs 06ozs
22nd	Peg 33	Rod Turner	7lbs 00ozs

Marsh AC  Morefax AC

Rolf’s Lake. Holton. Oxfordshire. April 9th, 2011.

Maggotdrowning.com

Fund Raiser

Something a little different this Saturday as I was off down to Rolfs Lake where Malc The Jinx Doyle had organised a Fund Raiser to help with the hosting costs of the Maggotdrowning.com website. All 38 pegs are going to be in use as this was over subscribed within a few days of it being announced. I wouldn’t be fishing, just roving the bank with my camera to record the events of the day as with quite a few Rolfs novices in attendance there should be more than a few laughs and shocks along the way.

Looking out of the window it was obvious that the forecast for the warmest day of the year was right for once, and with no fishing kit to load in the car, just a few raffle prizes along with the camera, a leisurely cup of coffee was enjoyed while I fed our 3 cats before setting off via Battersea for a spot of breakfast. With that taken care of I was back on the road, arriving at Rolf’s around 9·15am.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen the car park so full, hardly surprising as there were 36 anglers who actually made it to Rolfs on the day. Malc even appeared to be organised for a change sorting out the draw ……

with raffle tickets being sold along with the ‘Guess the Weight’ sweep-stake. Lots of banter with faces old and new ensued as draw time approached ……

All to soon it was under way, accompanied by moans , groans, smiles and all other manner of reactions as people made their way to their allotted pegs.

I made my way round to help John & Pauline sort out the nets for all the anglers, while chatting with a few about the prospects of their various pegs. How would it fish? Nobody knew as Rolfs doesn’t ever see Matches with so many pegs in use.

The All-In was sounded at 11·15am as I made my way round the motorway bank. Steve Wilson was already doing battle on peg 14 with what was obviously a good carp, unfortunately it appeared to snag him under his nets, and we both thought it had shed the hook when a good fish surfaced by them and swam off. Steve started to retrieve his net to extract the hook when he realised that the fish was still attached, and after resuming the battle soon had it safely in the landing net, an obvious weigher, it went 16lbs, a great start to Steve’s day……

Down to peg 13 and Neil Riddy remarked that he’d had a couple of early bites with nothing to show for them, when his float slid away once more, This time he connected but was convinced it was a bream, till it surfaced, Carp !!!!! but after a short battle it was in the net getting him off the mark ……

Over on peg 32 Mark Gilbert had his elastic stretched for him before it snapped back into his pole and the hook came back with a scale on it, and as Neil remarked “Nobody likes to see that ” though that may just have been a bit tongue in cheek.

Things appeared to be hotting up on the car park bank to, as I could see Pete (crayfishtraps) was well into a fish, though it was certainly giving a good account of itself on his Black Hydro ……

A chilling sound was soon to be heard however as a scream of “YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!” reverberated round the lake, Gem (THE MINX) on peg 21 was off the mark and searching for victims to add to her list, not a big fish at around 7lbs, but good enough to start with and put the fear of failure in many a heart ……

Making my way round to the car park bank I could see Keith 74 was into a decent fish, however he was having a bit of trouble controlling it especially when it went through peg 26 and collected Len Wade’s rig as well. Who was playing who? or was the fish playing with both of them?……

Fortunately Len’s rig came loose and it was a very relieved Keith who finally bundled the fish into a landing net, a weigher that had really made him work for it ……

Looking around after a while it became obvious that it was just the odd fish coming out. The warm sun had certainly got the fish moving about, but they didn’t appear to be settling, just mooching around, almost as if they were already thinking about spawning. Jean had provided me with a coffee and I was able to have a leisurely look around, a nice change to the view I normally get when fishing myself.

Over on peg 11 Liam (Jinx Jnr) was a picture of concentration as his Dad offered guidance and encouragement ……

While Dai next door on peg 10 had that look of fierce concentration that told you that he’d rather not get beaten off the next peg by an eight year old ……

Next to Dai on peg 9 was Chris Lovelock, a good angler who had been more than happy with his draw and hopeful of putting a decent weight together today, unfortunately for Chris though the fish appeared to be having other ideas ……

Al had drawn peg 7, ideal for his favoured long pole approach, however today he had his 3 children with him, Al Jnr , Jenny and Gary who had come along to offer Dad their support ……

and to be fair he had been getting quite a bit of stick from a few of us, having been christened “Daddy Daycare” for the day ……

Next up on peg 7 was Clive looking reasonably happy with his peg, while next along were Ian (Chin) on peg 6 and Geoff on peg 5 ……

Kevin was tucked down in peg 34 with his partner Jean keeping an eye on him, and as I made my way round he was landing what was to prove to be his 2nd fish of the day……

Next up came Martin (Coopster1) having his first go at Rolfs and a little unlucky to find himself on peg 35, a peg that normally doesn’t get a lot of use ……

Adam (dumdum) was another of those on his 1st visit, and while peg 36 had a bit more form, he wouldn’t have found to many wanting to fight him for it today ……

Meanwhile on peg 37 Budgie already had the look of a man resigned to his fate, it’s not a peg he fancied and he already felt that he was just going through the motions ……

Mitch had already set out his stall to attack the margins on peg 38, a plan that if it came off could reap big dividends, but could also backfire on him ……

Down on peg 40 Dave could be found in splendid isolation as with neither peg 39 or peg 1 being drawn he had plenty of water to go at, it just needed the fish to co-operate…

  Tucked away right in the corner on peg 3, and trying to get to grips with match fishing I found Steve Preston (Luckyluca) ……

 While sat on peg 2 was his son Joshua who had come along to fish his first ever match and it has to be said that it looked like Dad was in serious danger of receiving a battering from his lad as Josh was 2-1 up on him and playing another fish as I passed by ……

Simon (Simple) was having a bit of a struggle on peg 4, with just a single fish and fearing the worst knowing that girlfriend Gem had caught, but I seemed to bring him a bit of luck (a Mugger Moment©) as he was soon into another carp which was obviously happy to pose for the camera ……

Carrying on round for another lap of the lake Geoff seemed happy enough with his lot, with a couple of fish already in the net being enough for him to be happy that he’d not blanked ……

Peg 7 and shock horror, I found Clive not only fishing LONG but SHALLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those that know Clive will truly appreciate the rarity of this event ……

Al in truth was having a bit of a mare on peg 8, which wasn’t helped by people reminding him that the peg had won the match on Wednesday with the 1st 300lb weight of the year and having to keep an eye on his 3 kids, however he did manage to land one while I was there……

      and was happy enough to pose for a photo to cheer himself up a bit ……

As I approached Dai’s peg I could hear a fair bit of splashing and arrived just in time to witness Dai sliding the net under what was obviously a good double ……

which I was only to happy to weigh it for him, and it was good to see his smile as I returned with the fish and the news that it weighed 15¼lbs.

 Liam was sticking at it, and by now had 3 carp to show for his efforts, despite feeling tired after being dragged out of bed at 5am for the trip up with his Dad ……

Neil was swapping between various lines trying to find what they wanted, you could see the fish cruising, getting them interested was another thing however ……

The rest of the motorway bank seemed to be fairing no better although fish could be seen in the area ……

Steve was struggling follow up his good start, while Scott, Chris E and Tricky only had the 1 fish each, something that Rod Rose (Isis) on peg 18 would have happily settled for at that point ……

 Royst was working hard on peg 19 with 2 fish to show for his efforts, while Mark on peg 20 was still to get off to any sort of start. Gem however had a smile as she knew that she already had more than a few running scared at the prospect of being added to The Minx List ……

Most of the car park bank were off the mark apart from Jay (nemesis) MarkC and Bazza. It was no fault of Bazza’s however as the poor soul was suffering horribly from what appeared to be food poisoning that was making him be sick at regular intervals.

With the match well into it’s second half I settled down with another coffee (Thanks Jean) for a chat with Kev. He’s one of my Marsh AC club mates and was still stuck on the 2 carp he’d caught earlier. I could see fish in his swim and suggested a few small changes to his approach. With these taken care of and a bit of fine tuning Kev was rewarded with his own Mugger Moment© and soon had carp no3 in the net……

In fact he soon got the hang of what was needed and started to pick up fish on a steady basis.

In general though most on the Little Lake were finding sport pretty slow, though looking across I could see that Ian was picking up one or two better fish on peg 6 ……

The man to beat however appeared to be Clive, who seemed to be getting a better stamp of fish, mind you all fish look big when Clive’s holding them ……

Making my way round for a final time Simon was bemoaning the fact that even his ever reliable get out of jail tactic of a white boilie fished shallow wasn’t producing, however within seconds of me arriving he was in again he was in as carp no 4 made it’s way to the landing net, definitely a Mugger Moment© ……

Strolling round I looked over to see that Kev was in the process of landing another fish, so things had definitely picked up in the later stages for him ……

For the final 25 minutes I sat with Gem to see if I could bring her a little bit of luck, and although she did have a couple of bites, she didn’t manage to connect with either of them.

The All-Out was sounded at 4·15pm with Tricky shouting “Fish On “  and plenty of elastic coming from his top kit indicating it was a good fish, and despite lots of encouragement? he was rewarded with a cracking 17lb+ Common ……

While all around were packing up ready for the Weigh-In, Al gave in and let his kids have a little go with his kit, and of course with son Gary fishing down the channel where Al hadn’t had a bite all day the float buried ……

With plenty of onlookers Al did the honours with the landing net, Gary’s reward being a 17¾lb Common, the largest fish from the peg all day,

I told Al he should have let his kids fish …… 

On to the Weigh-In, Kevin (peg34) set the mark with 53¼lbs to win A Section. Ian (peg6) put 65¾lbs on the scales which would give him 3rd place overall but Clive (peg7) weighed in 88½lbs to take the spoils in B Section and the overall win on the day.

 Liam recorded 20¾lbs to take a few scalps while Neil (peg13) weighed 67¼lbs to take C Section and 2nd overall. Tricky’s last minute carp gave him a total of 33¾lbs for the win in D Section, while Pete (crayfishtraps) took E Section with 41¼lbs. Finally Mick (peg30) won F Section with 35lbs 1oz.

Back to the car park and our Hosts, John & Pauline had been working away to  get the barbecue ready……

and once everyone had been fed it was time to announce the results, and pay out the Section Winners……………

Kevin……………………………..Clive…………………………………Neil



Tricky………………………..Pete………………………..Godber The Pairs Winners Pete & Al& Guess the Weight Winner
Gem The Minx

This was followed up by a raffle of donated prizes, and I have to say that people were more than generous with prizes. It seemed to take an absolute age to get through and if someone missed out I can only suggest that they give up buying raffle tickets.

Just a small part of the prizes on offer. Now it’s a Big Thank You to Malc The Jinx for organising the day, which was a huge success, raising the sum of £449·20p to help towards the running costs of the Maggotdrowning Site.

Another Big Thank You to John & Pauline for allowing us the use of Rolfs Lake for the day.

Finally a Very Big Thank You to All who attended and raised the money,


it’s really heartening to see your Support for which I know Dave is very grateful.

Individual Result

Position	Peg	Angler	Weight
1st	Peg 7	Clive Pritchard	88lbs 08ozs
2nd	Peg 13	Neil Riddy	67lbs 04ozs
3rd	Peg 6	Ian Ward (chin)	65lbs 12ozs
4th	Peg 9	Chris Lovelock	60lbs 08ozs
5th	Peg 8	Al Loader	60lbs 04ozs
6th	Peg 34	Kevin Loveland	53lbs 12ozs
7th	Peg 23	Pete Tapp (crayfishtraps)	41lbs 04ozs
8th	Peg 25	Keith Powell (Keith74)	40lbs 14ozs
9th	Peg 35	Martin Cannon(coopster1)	37lbs 00ozs
10th	Peg 30	Mick Godber	35lbs 01ozs
11th	Peg 4	Simon Mound (Simple)	34lbs 00ozs
12th	Peg 17	Richard East (Tricky)	33lbs 12ozs
13th	Peg 5	Geoff Palmer	32lbs 00ozs
14th	Peg 14	Steve Wilson	30lbs 08ozs
15th	Peg 21	Gem Doyle (THE MINX)	29lbs 09ozs
16th	Peg 36	Adam Daniells (dumdum)	29lbs 08ozs
17th	Peg 2	Joshua Preston	26lbs 12ozs
18th	Peg 32	Mark Gilbert	26lbs 02ozs
19th	Peg 38	Mitch Auger (mitch-fish)	21lbs 12ozs
20th	Peg 11	Liam Doyle (JINX JNR)	20lbs 12ozs
21st=	Peg 10	Dai Thomas (dai-fish)	20lbs 00ozs
21st=	Peg 19	Roy Ravenhill (royst)	20lbs 00ozs
23rd	Peg 22	Dave Enderby (Dave52)	19lbs 00ozs
24th	Peg 40	Dave Collier (dave the fish)	16lbs 00ozs
25th	Peg 37	Marcus Burgess (Budgie65)	12lbs 04ozs
26th	Peg 16	Chris Evans (Chris E)	11lbs 12ozs
27th	Peg 27	Terry Pearce (Auto)	9lbs 12ozs
28th	Peg 26	Doug Heathcote (Len Wade)	9lbs 04ozs
29th	Peg 15	Scott Weston (methodgob)	8lbs 00ozs
30th	Peg 29	Tony Roberts (spamwham)	7lbs 04ozs
31st	Peg 3	Steve Preston (luckyluca)	5lbs 01ozs
32nd	Peg 18	Rod Rose (ISIS)	0lbs 08ozs
33rd=	Peg 31	Mark Causer (MarkC)	DNW
33rd=	Peg 20	Mark Barrett (Mark B)	DNW
33rd=	Peg 24	Bazza Cullen (Bazza C)	DNW
33rd=	Peg 28	Jay Tucker (nemesis)	DNW

	Section Results
	Section A
Peg	Angler	Weight
Peg 34	Kevin Loveland	53lbs 12ozs
Peg 35	Martin Cannon(coopster1)	37lbs 00ozs
Peg 36	Adam Daniells (dumdum)	29lbs 08ozs
Peg 38	Mitch Auger (mitch-fish)	21lbs 12ozs
Peg 40	Dave Collier (dave the fish)	16lbs 00ozs
Peg 37	Marcus Burgess (Budgie)	12lbs 04ozs
	Section B
Peg	Angler	Weight
Peg 7	Clive Pritchard	88lbs 08ozs
Peg 6	Ian Ward (chin)	65lbs 12ozs
Peg 4	Simon Mound (Simple)	34lbs 00ozs
Peg 5	Geoff Palmer	32lbs 00ozs
Peg 2	Joshua Preston	26lbs 12ozs
Peg 3	Steve Preston (luckyluca)	5lbs 01ozs
	Section C
Peg	Angler	Weight
Peg 13	Neil Riddy	67lbs 04ozs
Peg 9	Chris Lovelock	60lbs 08ozs
Peg 8	Al Loader	60lbs 04ozs
Peg 14	Steve Wilson	30lbs 08ozs
Peg 11	Liam Doyle (JINX JNR)	20lbs 12ozs
Peg 10	Dai Thomas (dai-fish)	20lbs 00ozs
	Section D
Peg	Angler	Weight
Peg 17	Richard East (Tricky)	33lbs 12ozs
Peg 19	Roy Ravenhill (royst)	20lbs 00ozs
Peg 16	Chris Evans (Chris E)	11lbs 12ozs
Peg 15	Scott Weston (methodgob)	8lbs 00ozs
Peg 18	Rod Rose (ISIS)	0lbs 08ozs
Peg 20	Mark Barrett (Mark B)	DNW
	Section E
Peg	Angler	Weight
Peg 23	Pete Tapp (crayfishtraps)	41lbs 04ozs
Peg 25	Keith Powell (Keith74)	40lbs 14ozs
Peg 21	Gem Doyle (THE MINX)	29lbs 09ozs
Peg 22	Dave Enderby (Dave52)	19lbs 00ozs
Peg 26	Doug Heathcote (Len Wade)	9lbs 04ozs
Peg 24	Bazza Cullen (Bazza C)	DNW
	Section F
Peg	Angler	Weight
Peg 30	Mick Godber	35lbs 01ozs
Peg 32	Mark Gilbert	26lbs 02ozs
Peg 27	Terry Pearce (Auto)	9lbs 12ozs
Peg 29	Tony Roberts (spamwham)	7lbs 04ozs
Peg 31	Mark Causer (MarkC)	DNW
Peg 28	Jay Tucker (nemesis)	DNW

Pairs Result

Position	Anglers	Points
1st	Al Loader & Pete Tapp (crayfishtraps)	12pts
2nd	Gem Doyle (THE MINX) & Neil Riddy	17pts
3rd	Clive Pritchard & Joshua Preston	18pts
4th=	Mitch Auger (mitch-fish) & Chris Lovelock	23pts
4th=	Martin Cannon(coopster1) & Steve Wilson	23pts
4th=	Richard East (Tricky) & Simon Mound (Simple)	23pts
7th	Liam Doyle (JINX JNR) & Kevin Loveland	26pts
8th	Doug Heathcote (Len Wade) & Ian Ward (chin)	31pts
9th	Keith Powell (Keith74) & Terry Pearce (Auto)	35pts
10th=	Dave Enderby (Dave52) & Mark Gilbert	41pts
10th=	Mick Godber & Steve Preston (luckyluca)	41pts
12th	Chris Evans (Chris E) & Adam Daniells (dumdum)	42pts
13th	Geoff Palmer & Bazza Cullen (Bazza C)	46pts
14th	Tony Roberts (spamwham) & Dai Thomas (dai-fish)	51pts
15th	Jay Tucker (nemesis) & Roy Ravenhill (royst)	57pts
16th	Mark Causer (MarkC) & Dave Collier (dave the fish)	60pts
17th=	Marcus Burgess (Budgie65) & Mark Barrett (Mark B)	61pts
17th=	Rod Rose (ISIS) & Scott Weston (methodgob)	61pts